don't believe -- don't see this simply as a black male problem but recognize that there are pockets of america that have just been left behind. this is one pocket there in oakland. and it's a shame because the bay area is rich with resources. and this is something that we should be able to do something about. >> before we run out of time in our conversation, i want to ask you for people who are looking at this in exactly the way that professor nogueira suggested and said, i care about this issue, what do you expect me to do about it? i'm a middle class white tech entrepreneur in sunnyvale. i've never been through east oakland. i've passed it on 880 but that's as increase as i get. what do you expect me to do about it? what would you say to them? >> volunteer in the schools. it's a community. it takes a community to raise these kids. so we need people to come in and volunteer, you know? >> what kinds of volunteers do you most need? if you could have your pick, if you could go volunteer shopping? >> definitely with the i.t., tech, just coming into the classrooms, donating, answering some phones,